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Xanga Post Sunday May 28, 2006

Kudos to the Blue Team for getting things going.  Off to Shocco tomorrow and Destin on Tuesday for SL @ the Beach.

It’s weird to have your life revolve around youth events.

I’m tired.

Here’s a Spoke Word thing I wrote for camp this year.  I’m still trying to decide whether or not I’m going to compete in the Southern Fried Poetry Slam in a week and a half.

Enjoy.  Or don’t.  Whatever.

Woman of No Distinction

I’m a woman of no distinction
Of little importance
A woman with no reputation
Save that which is bad
You whisper as I pass by
And cast judgmental glances
Though you don’t take the time to really look at me
Or even get to know me

For to be known is to be loved
And to be loved is to be known

Otherwise, what’s the point in doing either of them
In the first place

I want to be known
I want someone to look at my face
And not just see two eyes
A nose, a mouth and two ears
But to see all that I am and could be
To see my joys, loves, and fears
But that’s too much to hope for
To wish for or to pray for
So, I don’t
Not anymore

Now I keep to myself
By that I mean the pain
That keeps me in my own private jail
The pain that’s brought me here
At midday to this well

To ask for a drink is no big request
But to ask it of me
A woman unclean, ashamed, used and abused
An outcast, a failure, a disappointment
A Sinner
No drink passing from these hands
To your lips could ever be refreshing
Only condemning
As I’m sure you condemn me now

But

You

Don’t

You’re a man of no distinction
Though of the utmost importance
A man with little reputation
At least so far
You whisper and tell me to my face
What all those glances have been about
And you take the time to really look at me
But don’t need to get to know me

For to be known is to be loved
And to be loved is to be known

And you know me
You actually know me
All of me
And everything about me
Every thought inside and hair on top of my head
Every hurt stored up, every hope, every dread
My past and my future, all I am and could be
You tell me everything, You tell me about me
And that which spoken by another
Would mean hate and condemnation
Coming from you brings love
Grace, mercy, hope and salvation
I’ve heard of one to come
Who would save a wretch like me
And here in my presence you say
“I am he”

To be known is to be loved
And to be loved is to be known

And I just met you
But I love you
I don’t know you
But I want to get to

Let me run back to town
Because this is way too much for just me
There are others, sisters and brothers
Lovers and haters
The good and the bad
Sinners and Saints
Who should hear what you’ve told me
Who should see what you’ve shown me
Who should taste what you gave me
Who should feel how you forgave me

For to be known is to be loved
And to be loved is to be known

And they all need this too
We all do
Need it for our own

Xanga Post Tuesday May 16, 2006

I started a post but erased it.  I’m about to vomit here.  Literally and metaphorically (or figuratively).

I hurt.  Right now.  This instant.  I can feel it in my chest.  It’s not really physical pain.  Perhaps emotional.  But I do feel it.  Like I can reach into my chest and grip the hurt and tear it out.  Actually, hurt is probably the wrong word.  It’s emptiness.  Nothingness.  How do you feel nothing?  I don’t know.  But I do.  And I’ll tell you this, nothing isn’t nothing.  It’s something.  And it hurts.  Maybe it’s lack of sleep.  Maybe it’s stress.  Maybe.  But many of you have that same stuff.  So what?  So why?  Why?  Why feel hurt?  Why feel restless?  I’m not being vague for any reason.  If there was some specific thing to tell you about, I would.  But there’s not.  I’m sad.  Kinda.  No real reason.  I want to crawl in my bed with my dog and listen to rain outside while pulling the covers up to my chin to shield me from the breeze from my fan.  I want to have a deep conversation with my friends that doesn’t involve work.  I want to be a good husband for Liza and be the father she wants me to be for the children she wants us to have but that she thinks I’m reluctant to.  I want to be okay with the realization that there are people in my life who are going to meet other people and move on and I’ll probably never talk to again.  Actually, that kind of stuff has rarely bothered me.  I realize that I’ve been a person that moves on pretty well from things.  But now… now I’m not so sure.  I’ve been real nostalgic lately (which if you study generations is becoming an increasing phenomenon for the young because of the immediacy of life and information, but that’s for another time).  It’s amazing, the direction your life takes.  The way little tiny decisions affect increasingly bigger decisions that affect the entire direction of your life and that in the midst of it all God is sovereign and in control and directing the whole thing.  “What is man that you are mindful of him?  The son of man that you care for him?”  I’m in love.  I am.  I’m in love with you, and if you think that “you” refers actually to you, then it does.  I love you.  All of you.  I do.  And it’s weird.  As I’ve often discussed that word doesn’t carry with it enough meaning.  I need many words to express to the many individuals what that phrase actually means.  How unifying and polarizing it can be all the same instance.  Healing and hurting.  A few years ago I was at Windermere Conference Center and I asked God to show me more of His love.  I was feeling pretty depressed at the time (if you can’t tell, that’s a constant struggle/battle for me) and honestly prayed that for my own benefit.  What happened was very unusual.  Instead of God doing something to me, loving me, He directed my attention elsewhere.  I saw someone on the back row.  A man.  In his forties.  Fat.  Insecure (you could tell).  He had on a fishing hat, sitting amongst trendy teenagers.  And in that moment, I loved him.  I had no reason to.  But I did.  I love him, extremely, deeply, honestly, truly.  It changed me.  It changed how I feel now.  About you.  All of you.  And it’s made it worse, because that kind of love, agape kind of love, can hurt like hell.  I think that’s why He showed me that.  He loves us so much it hurts like hell.  Literally.  That’s what He endured, after all.  Hell.  I feel a little lightheaded.  Maybe I should eat something.  Or drink some water.  I know I don’t drink enough water.  At any rate, I’m here now.  Thinking.  Hurting.  Loving.  And I miss you.  All of you.  Because you’re not here with me.  Even those of you here right now, literally, as I write this, aren’t really here.  And it’s my fault.  I know that.  I don’t let you be here, here with me.  But I love you and thank you for loving me.  I’m just in a mood.  I don’t think it’s bad, but it’s certainly not good.  And I should expand my vocabulary.  I repeat words and phrases too much.  If I ran away, where would I go?  Home, probably.  Home.  It’s weird.  And it’s vague.  And it doesn’t matter to you.  “It may look to you like nothing much to see, but you should see the way it feels to me.”  The past is a crappy place to dwell and the future is always too far away.  But is the present ever enough?  Should it be?  What if?  “What if” is a horrible question?  It’s paralyzing.  As much as trying to “figure out” God’s will.  Except there’s always fear with “what if.”  Fear or expectation.  And often the two of those shouldn’t be mutually exclusive.  I’m feeling lightheaded again and I’m tired.  I’m just tired.  And I want to go home.  So…

I will.  And I do.

You.

All of you…

Xanga Post Monday May 8, 2006

Xanga Post Tuesday May 2, 2006

Obviously need to update.  Things are crazy.  Life is chaos.  I’m just trying to hold on.  Don’t feel ready for everything that’s happening.  Don’t feel ready for a lot of things.  Blah blah blah.  Vague vague vague.  Thbbbbbbbt!

Production staffs begin arriving today.  Exciting and frightening at the same time.  I’m about to send my child off to kindergarten where she’s going to be ridiculed and tested and examined and beaten up and changed and is going to grow and sing and soar and live her life beyond what I planned for her.  (All this is figurative, by the way, I don’t really have a child)

Went to the Compassion International headquarters last week.  It’s become cliche around here for people to go to something having to do with Compassion and come back talking about how they’re the real deal and being all fired up about their work and ministry and such.  Call me cliche.  Here’s a picture of Luis, the Ecuadorian boy Liza and I sponsor.

He likes to play with cars.  I thought about taking a picture of my collection of Volkswagen paraphanelia and sending it to him.  But then I thought that might seem like bragging.  “Look at all the cool toy cars I have!  Nah nah naboo boo!”  I think I’ll just get him a toy Volkswagen for a gift.

So, what’s going on with me?

Wouldn’t you like to know.

Yeah yeah yeah.  Blah blah blah.  Vague vague vague.  Thbbbbbbt!!

Here We Go

Settle in.  It’s a doozy.

During their meeting up in Huntsville, AL held Nov. 14-17, the trustees of the International Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention approved a guideline and a policy.  The guideline was on baptism.  The policy was on tongues and prayer language.  I wish to discuss the policy.  You can view both at the IMB website, but I will reproduce the policy on tongues and prayer language below.

Policy on tongues and prayer language
TOPIC:  MISSIONARY
SUBJECT: TONGUES AND PRAYER LANGUAGE
DATE:  November 15, 2005
That the following policy regarding tongues and prayer language of missionary candidates be adopted:
GLOSSOLALIA
1.  The New Testament speaks of a gift of glossolalia that generally is considered to be a legitimate language of some people group.
2.  The New Testament expression of glossolalia as a gift had specific uses and conditions for its exercise in public worship.
3.  In term of worship practices, the majority of Southern Baptist churches do not practice glossolalia.  Therefore, if glossolalia is a public part of his or her conviction and practice, the candidate has eliminated himself or herself from being a representative of the IMB of the SBC.
PRAYER LANGUAGE
1.  Prayer language as commonly expressed by those practitioners is not the same as the biblical use of glossolalia.
2.  Paul’s clear teaching is that prayer is to be made with understanding.
3.  Any spiritual experience must be tested by the Scriptures.
4.  In terms of general practice, the majority of Southern Baptists do not accept what is referred to as “private prayer language.”  Therefore, if “private prayer language” is an ongoing part of his or her conviction and practice, the candidate has eliminated himself or herself from being a representative of the IMB of the SBC.
APPLICATION
1.  This policy is not retroactive.
2.  Any exceptions to the above policy must be reviewed by the staff and the Process Review Committee.

This has caused quite an uproar among some Southern Baptists (probably mostly made up of the minority that do practice and accept) for a number of reasons.  Chief among them being that Jerry Rankin, the IMB President, has publicly stated that he has practiced a private prayer language “for more than 30 years.”  Under this new policy, if the IMB President left his position under the calling of God to serve as a missionary and desired to do so through the help and support of the organization that he leads, he would be denied.  Well, technically he would have “eliminated himself…from being a representative…”  The IMB wouldn’t deny him for something that isn’t covered doctrinally in the Baptist Faith and Message.  This is quite a conundrum since it is Rankin himself who has come under fire numerous times, most critically for requiring that all missionaries on the field that were approved before 2000 sign an approval and adoption document of the BF&M 2000.  This was seen as forcing doctrinal beliefs on missionaries in a creedal fashion (you won’t find creeds, Apostle or otherwise, cited or recited in most SBC churches), which Baptists have historically avoided citing the autonomy of the local church, who, in the case of Southern Baptist life, are technically the sending agents of any missionaries.

I first became aware of this issue in a recent edition of Christianity Today of which I am a subscriber (interestingly, Dean George of Beeson is one of the executive editors of this fine publication along with J.I. Packer and Thomas C. Oden [perhaps you've heard of them as well]).  It was reported as a news story with none of the bias that I’m sure I’m displaying here.  However, it piqued my interest and I began researching all I could about it.  By the time I did so, position papers on both the tongues policy and the baptism guideline had been published (though conveniently not formally adopted) and Tom Hatley, Chairman of the IMB trustees, had written a letter to Baptists in general and then one to Baptist pastors in particular.  All of these documents can be found on the IMB website, which I have linked above.

Hatley clearly states that the decision of the trustees to adopt this policy has little to do with Rankin other than the fact that the IMB President and others within the organization asked the full board to approve or disapprove the policy after it had been only adopted by the Personnel Committee.  He’s also kind enough to give a decent explanation of a candidates approval process and how holes in the approval process helped make it necessary to adopt this particular policy.  Other reasons for doing so asserted by Hatley are that 1. “some of our ministries in some of our regions were facing doctrinal challenges” 2. “we were receiving concerns from…pastors and others returning from mission trips…” that included “charismatic problems that would intrude into some of our mission work” and 3. “our doctrinal resolve needed to be affirmed.”  However, notice under the “application” section of the policy that the policy is not retroactive.  So, in no way does it address those concerns and doctrinal challenges that have already been on the field.  Hatley acknowledges this in saying that “no one on the board thinks we should terminate a missionary for believing something we allowed at the time of their appointment” because “we already have policies in place to address these issues when they become problematic.”  There’s already a process in place and the issue isn’t serious enough to result in termination of present missionaries but is serious enough to prevent any in the future from causing these dreaded charismatic problems.

Notice that in neither the policy nor Hatley’s letters (if you read them) are Scripture references given.  But don’t worry.  That’s what the Position Paper (that “has not been adopted by the board of trustees”) is for.

This paper begins by saying “while an exhaustive treatment of even the few biblical passages that make any mention of tongues is not practical for this rationale, dealing with those passages in context is extremely helpful and important.”  I will deal with some of their context in a moment.  But to begin with I want to say that they are certainly correct that passages should be dealt with in their context, but while they assert that an exhaustive treatment is not practical I should point out that they devote more of the paper to the “Historic Baptist Understanding” than they do to the passages of Scripture.  Interesting.  Let me address a few of this paper’s points.

They begin with the first instance of the gift of glossolalia that followed the coming of the Holy Spirit at the celebration of Pentecost recorded in Acts 2.  Here those followers of Christ present were “filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.”  We then find that the people present could understand at least some of those speaking through hearing their own native language.  The first argument made by the position paper is that the glossa (tongues) referred to were actual known languages.  And because this same term is used in the passages in 1 Corinthians (where the issue of tongues is dealt with most directly) the conclusion is that when Paul writes of different kinds of tongues in 1 Cor. 12:10 he just means different languages (though it’s still quite amazing that it’s not languages the speakers have learned).  At any rate this is all well and good, but since we are taking Scripture in context, then you must deal with Paul’s teachings on tongues in full context as well.  This occurs primarily in 1 Corinthians 12-14. That’s right, over the course of three chapters.  Including chapter 13.  The love chapter.  In the context of Paul’s letter, chapter 13 does address love and the lack of it in the lives of many in the Corinthian church.  They were dealing with a multitude of sins, one being the abuse of Spiritual gifts, especially tongues.  It had been elevated to even above the supremacy of Christ.  They were holding it over people’s heads as a measure of superiority.  They were acting without love.  Thus Paul begins the love chapter (that wasn’t a chapter in his letter; that was added later, obviously) “If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels…”  Glossa is used here as well and refers to languages of men and languages of angels.  It stands to reason that we don’t know what the language of angels is, or if there is more than one.  Thus it seems appropriate to deem this an “unknown” language, though the position paper argues that such a thing doesn’t exist.

They also argue that tongues are a sign, which is supported by 1 Cor. 14:22, but they then move on to assert that it is only a sign for Jews, though Paul makes no distinction about that in chapter 14.  He does say that Jews requested a sign in chapter 1 as well as that Gentiles requested wisdom, which is also a gift of the Spirit.  At any rate they draw their support for this from Isaiah’s prophecy where he refers to “this people.”  Though, this prophecy certainly was given to Jews and held a fulfillment for the Jews, those who study prophecy also know that it can carry on further meaning and fulfillment.  For instance, messianic prophecies were not always understood as such.  They had their own fulfillment at the time they were given and than had a future fulfillment that didn’t just apply to their initial audience.  But at any rate, the position paper says that “in every instance of tongues in Acts there were Jews present and at least one apostle.  It is true about the apostles.  However, in order to make the argument for the Jews one has to consider Acts 19 where Paul visits Ephesus.  Here he meets a group of people only referred to as disciples who had received the baptism of John.  Paul baptizes them in Christ and they are filled with the Spirit and speak in tongues.  In order to argue that they are Jews, one has to do so from silence because Scripture doesn’t say.  This is faulty hermeneutics.  Also, tongues was obviously being experienced in Corinth (abused or not) and there was not an apostle present, hence the need for Paul’s letter.

The writers of the position paper say that Paul wrote to Corinth “to correct a problem, not to encourage or promote a particular experience as a means by which to have a superior intimate relation to God.”  This is true, but that sentence should be examined carefully because Paul does encourage and promote tongues here just not as a means to have a superior relation to God.  He writes in 14:5, “Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy.  The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.”  Paul doesn’t require interpretation except for in public gatherings of worship where he places further restrictions on the use of tongues, though he does encourage all tongues-speakers to pray for interpretation (1 Cor. 14:13).

They also admit that a usage of tongues according to 1 Cor. 14:28 is to speak to God, though “some Baptists argue that the Corinthian practice is not, strictly speaking, an actual spiritual gift, because Paul defined a spiritual gift as “for the common good” (1 Cor. 12:7).  True, but he also says in 14:4 that the one who speaks tongues builds up himself though in chapter 12 he obviously considers tongues a spiritual gift.

They argue that the work of the Spirit is to exalt Christ.  True.  Read John 14-16.  Knowing this truth, they say that any teacher, teaching, or movement that exalts oneself rather than Christ is not from the Holy Spirit.  I think this might imply that the tongues in Corinth weren’t from the Spirit since they were being used partially for this purpose, though also for the correct purposes as well.  But then they say that the Corinthian Christians were just misusing the gift of tongues.  So, I’m not sure what they’re trying to say.

At any rate they completely skip the parts of 1 Corinthians 14 where Paul does mention tongues being used in prayer other than that one instance in verse 28 that they write off because of the argument of “some Baptists.”  Like verses 13-16 that say, “Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray for the power to interpret.  For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.”  So, should I not pray in tongues then?  No.  “What am I to do?  I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also.  Otherwise, if you give thanks with your spirit, how can anyone in the position of an outsider say ‘Amen’ to your thanksgiving when he does not know what you are saying?”  The argument against this is that it implies prayer in a corporate setting and not in private.  But elsewhere we are told to “pray in the Spirit” (Jude 20,21; Ephesians 6:18).  Though tongues aren’t mentioned in those passages directly Paul does use the same language in 14:2 when he writes, “For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit” (emphasis mine).

At any rate the writers of the position paper and the board of trustees if nothing else did ignore 1 Corinthians 14:39-40: “So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.  But all things should be done decent and in order”  (emphasis mine, again).

I won’t even discuss the whole “the majority of Southern Baptists do not practice/accept” statements.  After all, we made it a democracy and not a theocracy (though I’m not really trying to make a point about church leadership and organization; an extensive discussion of that here is not practical).

Seems like maybe they should have worked on addressing those abuses, like Paul did, and not forbidden what he taught not to.

But what do I know?

Xanga Post Monday March 20, 2006

To those whom the St. Patrick’s Day picture frightened/offended/disturbed: my apologies.  If you have seen the movie, hopefully you laughed at the absurdity of it all.  He does look like a little demon, though.

Writing is the name of the game I’m currently playing.  It’s actually going somewhat okay, just slow.  Like evolution-of-the-species slow.  But this too shall pass.

One of the things Drew and I are currently working on are these poems that we are going to shoot people performing to play in Celebration to introduce the theme of that day’s Bible study.  In trying to be inspired to do this, or in trying to procrastinate it, I have gotten back into the whole Poetry Slam thing, Which means I’ve been watching Def Poetry Jam and we bought a copy of the documentary, Slamnation.  This has led to three things:

1.  I’ve been researching local poetry slams and have found that four exist monthly in the greater Birmingham area.  I will be attending soon.

2.  The Southern Friend Poetry Slam regional competition is in Birmingham this year.  I think some of us should enter.  It would be a blast.

3.  I’ve gotten back into looking at the actual poets.  My favorite is this guy named Taylor Mali.  He seems to be a pretty egocentric guy, but has been a teacher and has passion for teaching and sees the absurdity in the modern poetry scene.  So, I like him.  The following is one of my favorite poems of his.  It’s best performed so read it aloud and listen to how you emphasize the question marks (they’re there for a reason).  If you don’t get it you can download it on iTunes or catch it on the season two DVD of Def Poetry Jam.

Totally Like Whatever
by Taylor Mali

In case you hadn’t noticed,
it has somehow become uncool
to sound like you know what you’re talking about?
Or believe strongly in what you’re saying?
Invisible question marks and parenthetical (you know?)’s
have been attaching themselves to the ends of our sentences?
Even when those sentences aren’t, like, questions? You know?

Declarative sentences – so-called
because they used to, like, DECLARE things to be true
as opposed to other things which were, like, not -
have been infected by a totally hip
and tragically cool interrogative tone? You know?
Like, don’t think I’m uncool just because I’ve noticed this;
this is just like the word on the street, you know?
It’s like what I’ve heard?
I have nothing personally invested in my own opinions, okay?
I’m just inviting you to join me in my uncertainty?

What has happened to our conviction?
Where are the limbs out on which we once walked?
Have they been, like, chopped down
with the rest of the rain forest?
Or do we have, like, nothing to say?
Has society become so, like, totally . . .
I mean absolutely . . . You know?
That we’ve just gotten to the point where it’s just, like . . .
whatever!

And so actually our disarticulation . . . ness
is just a clever sort of . . . thing
to disguise the fact that we’ve become
the most aggressively inarticulate generation
to come along since . . .
you know, a long, long time ago!

I entreat you, I implore you, I exhort you,
I challenge you: To speak with conviction.
To say what you believe in a manner that bespeaks
the determination with which you believe it.
Because contrary to the wisdom of the bumper sticker,
it is not enough these days to simply QUESTION AUTHORITY.
You have to speak with it, too.

*EDIT*
I heard this site was hard to read.  So I tried to fix it.  Hopefully, this is better.

Xanga Post Friday March 17, 2006

A Few Different Things

ONE:  Saw James Taylor in concert last night at the BJCC Concert Hall.  It was his “One Man Band” tour, which is a misnomer because he had a piano player with him.  The show was really good but pretty low key.  If you weren’t a James Taylor fan you might find it a bit boring.  He had this screen and would click through pictures and stuff, talk about one of his songs and then play it.  It was pretty great.  The acoustics in the concert hall are great and so is James Taylor.  You could close your eyes and swear you were listening to a recording.  He sounds that good, even like he did when he recorded some of those songs almost forty years ago.  My only complaint was that some people in the audience wouldn’t leave him alone.  They kept yelling at him, trying to shake his hand and have him autograph stuff.  Evidently he’s a pretty nice guy because he would indulge most of them.  It was his birthday, so I guess he was in a good mood.

TWO:  I’m having second thoughts about this Regents University thing.  Surprise, surprise.  What got me initially is when I received the information packet, opened to the first page entitled “A Message from the Chancellor” and saw Pat Robertson staring back at me.  Yes.  That Pat Robertson.  Pat “America-Should-Assassinate-Venezuelan-President-Hugo-Chavez” Robertson.  Also, it’s pretty expensive.  I don’t know what I should do.  I think I’m going to check into this online course offered through UCLA.  I don’t think they advocate anyone’s assassination.  Except maybe Pat Robertson’s.

THREE:  For a few different reasons I feel the need to defend/clarify/explain myself a bit in relation to some things I’ve thought, said, discussed, or posted here.  This has pretty much grown out of that stupid theological quiz I took that many of you have now taken and some things I’ve read on other sites.  Mainly, what I want to address are my comments on truth and knowing it along with the priority I have been placing on asking questions (though certainly not as an end in and of themselves; answers are obviously needed).  I don’t believe I’ve been able to articulate these things well so I will try to do so now.

I consider myself somewhat educated.  I have two degrees in religious studies, have been a Christian for around nineteen years.  I read the Bible, pray, study, etc.  I know what I believe and why I believe it.  This is not only important but Biblically mandated.  Peter writes the following in the fifteenth verse of the third chapter of his first epistle: “…but in your hearts regard Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that that is in you.”  I just don’t consider the best defense to be a strong offense, to play off a common sports phrase.  Please, don’t ever misinterpret what I do or say as being weak in my faith or theology or playing the relativistic game of “you’re okay; I’m okay; let’s all be okay together.” 

Though I know what I believe and why I believe it.  I can also tell you that I have been wrong before and certainly leave room that I may be wrong about some things right now.  I just may not know it yet.  But how can this happen?  I’ve got the Bible, God’s Word, the source of Truth.  Yeah.  But I mistook it.  I’ve never been able to articulate this.  Actually, I still can’t.  However, I found someone who can and has.

I’m reading a book my Dad sent me by a guy named Jack Deere.  Deere is a former professor at Dallas Theological Seminary.  He realized some things he was wrong about as well.  He explains this by how much we are influenced by are various traditions, whether we want to admit it or not.  Traditions of family, church, denomination, school, region, culture, etc.  The following is a quote of his:

    “…when our belief systems move beyond the basic fundamentals of the faith (the deity of Jesus, justification by faith, the substitutionary atonement of Jesus, and so on) to things that aren’t as fundamental (the mode of baptism, the manner of taking the Lord’s supper, or a particular view of the millennium) we are much more dependent on tradition than we realize.  In these cases, [J.I.] Packer offers sound advice, ‘What we must do, rather, is acknowledge that we are full of tradition, good or bad, to a much greater extent than we realize, and must learn to ask by the light of Scripture critical questions about what we have thus far taken for granted.’
   
Some, however, fail to acknowledge the significance of tradition and other factors in our environments for determining or shaping our views.  Edward Gross asks why there are so many interpretations.  His answer is that ‘there are two simple reasons why there are so many interpretations; the lack of comprehensive study and the lack of following the simple rules of hermeneutics (the science of biblical interpretation).’
    Next, he cites three hermeneutical rules summarized by Charles Hodge to the effect that Scripture is to be interpreted in its grammatical historical sense, Scripture must interpret Scripture and cannot contradict itself, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit must be sought to interpret Scripture.  Gross concludes that ‘employing these rules will assist us in determining the true sense of Scripture.  If Christians would constantly unite a thorough investigation with these simple rules, differences of interpretation would practically disappear.’
    I am sure there are others who sincerely believe with Gross that lack of study and hermeneutical differences can account for contemporary theological diversity.  However, I do not think there are very many skilled theologians or knowledgeable interpreters of Scripture who would agree with Gross.
    When I was at Dallas Seminary, everyone on the faculty that I knew would agree with the three hermeneutical rules summarized by Hodge, and we all believed in comprehensive study of the Word.  Nonetheless, we differed significantly with the reformed theological position that Gross quotes throughout his book.  Did we dispensationalists not study the Scriptures as comprehensively as the Reformed theologians with whom we disagreed?  Were we inconsistent in our application of the three hermeneutical principles?  The obvious truth is that a lack of comprehensive study of the Scriptures and dissimilar hermeneutical principles cannot account for the vast majority of modern theological differences.” (Surprised by the Power of the Spirit, pp. 53-54; emphasis mine)


Ask questions.  Pray and search Scripture for answers.  Come to conclusions.  Believe.  But be prepared to be wrong sometimes.  After that the question is how do you respond and move on.  With pride and arrogance?  With shame and guilt?  Or with joy in the newfound knowledge of the Truth granted to you by the grace of Jesus Christ?  I know how I’m always trying to respond.

Emergent/postmodern has such a stigma, and rightfully so.  Many of their leaders, though I believe they mean well, act pretty irresponsibly.  So, it peeves me to be labeled that on that stupid quiz.  But, who cares really?  If you remember from earlier posts, I hate labels.  One way, though, that I do identify with my brother, Brian McLaren, is that I hope to have a generous orthodoxy.

And if you do have it all figured out and are completely right about everything, my hats off to you.  You’re a better man/woman/person than I.  May God grant you the humility necessary to pass your knowledge on to others, myself included.

FOUR:  Time Bandits rules!

This Quiz I Took

I don’t normally take these things, but I’m trying to write and needed something to help me procrastinate.  Not so sure if it nails me or anything, but it was intersting.  Here’s my results…

You scored as Emergent/Postmodern. You are Emergent/Postmodern in your theology. You feel alienated from older forms of church, you don’t think they connect to modern culture very well. No one knows the whole truth about God, and we have much to learn from each other, and so learning takes place in dialogue. Evangelism should take place in relationships rather than through crusades and altar-calls. People are interested in spirituality and want to ask questions, so the church should help them to do this.

Emergent/Postmodern

82%

Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan

79%

Neo orthodox

64%

Charismatic/Pentecostal

61%

Reformed Evangelical

61%

Roman Catholic

54%

Fundamentalist

43%

Classical Liberal

39%

Modern Liberal

29%

What’s your theological worldview?
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That’s me… a little Brian McLaren (not really… I believe in Hell).

You can take it here.

**EDIT**
I’ve been thinking about this litte quiz.  Let me say that I do not agree that older forms of church cannon connect to modern culture very well.  In fact, I think we need to reembrace many aspects of older forms of church.  However, it is my experience that a number of older churches don’t connect to modern culture very well as a result of the actions of their members, not the form of church itself.

Secondly, I do believe in aboslute truth and that God is truth and that He can most certainly be known and therefore truth can be known.  However, I question anyone’s claim to know Him and thus it fully and completely.  After all, we will spend eternity “getting to know” Him.

Xanga Post Wednesday March 8, 2006

So I mentioned how I’ve been wanting to further my theater education.  Basically, I’ve discovered that I really want some affirmation for what I do.  Plus, I’m wanting to be a writer but have no real training.  Student Life is good experience, but is also limiting in a number of ways.  Well, in my search I have finally found something that might be feasible.  I’ve discovered an M.A. program in Script and Screenwriting that I can do online through Regents University.  Regents is a Christian university but has a good theater, film and communications program that employs members of the faculty that actually work in the industry.  So, I’m checking it out to see what it might be.  It could be good training, an actual masters level theater and writing degree and could equip me to have a few different options later on down the road.  So, that’s nice.

Also, now that I have a house, I’ve been interested in planting some trees, specifically some fruit trees.  Today at Lowes I found a peach tree and a pear tree that I’m thinking about getting.  I’ve also been interested in a tree I’ve heard called a “fruit salad tree.”  Basically it’s where some horticulturist has taken various citrus trees like Orange, Lemon, Lime, Tangerine, etc. and has grafted them together into one tree.  I also found one of those.  So, that’s exciting.

We’re finally zeroing in on our staff for the summer.  Things are starting to get exciting.  Now we just need some scripts.

Well, onwards and upwards.

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